This paper has improved markedly in the revision. I congratulate the authors on having made a serious effort to address the previous critiques. I have a few further (mostly minor) comments below. (Note that the page numbering scheme is odd: it is not sequential but it doesn't reset to 1 on each page either; possibly it is sequential but the first digit got cut off for #'s >100. In any case, when I refer to X/Y I mean page # / line # and there should be no ambiguity.)
Major points:
(1) I think these authors have done a very good job of separating the Discussion from the Results. There are one or two passages of what I would call Discussion in the Results (e.g., 10/00-02, 11/45-48), and some parts of the Discussion are vague or too speculative. But generally they did an excellent job.
(2) There are a few places where "facts not in evidence" are referenced, or prematurely introduced before the data are shown. For example, the step change after 2010 shown in Figure 6: I think it would be better to just say "see next section" when this topic is introduced on 11/33, rather than referring the reader to Figure 3, because this step function is difficult to discern in Figure 3.
This topic is discussed again on 11/54-55, and another ambiguous data reference is introduced, "i.e., P3 substitutes P1". This may be true but it's hard to tell from the plot: it is obvious that P1 disappears but less obvious that P3 becomes dominant in the months when P1 previously had been. It might be better to just say "P1 is no longer observed".
(3) Parts of the Discussion are excessively speculative, or appear to contradict the previous text, and I have doubts about whether some of the literature cited is interpreted correctly.
I commend the authors for their thoroughness; they cite quite a few references I had not heard of. But some that I am familiar with, including classics like Gargett 1991, are not necessarily interpreted correctly. Boyce et al 2010 drew some rather vigorous criticism (www.nature.com/articles/nature09953). Boyce et al (2014, 10.1016/j.pocean.2014.01.004) address some of these criticisms and could be cited here. They claim that the basic conclusion that a long term secular (downward) trend is detectable remains sound, but this conclusion remains controversial and I think that the authors of the current contribution should treat it skeptically. The results of Polovina et al (2008) represent too short a time series to be inferred to represent a long-term secular trend or anthropogenic warming signal. The assertion that "Upwelling is triggered by severe winter cyclones that generate enough Ekman pumping to maintain high nutrient concentrations in the near-surface waters (Gargett, 1991; Harrison et al., 2004)" is questionable and likely to be misinterpreted. The Alaska Gyre IS a cyclone (whereas the NPSG is an anticyclone). The large-scale net Ekman transport is upward, albeit sluggish. I'm not saying localized upwelling associated with either atmospheric or oceanic cyclones is unimportant, but that's not what Gargett (1991) is about. In the case of Cullen (1991) (14/47) I also have difficulty connecting the assertion made to the contents of the cited reference.
The entire paragraph on 14/53-60 contains a number of questionable assertions. The source of dissolved Fe in the northwestern Pacific is primarily from shelf and slope sediments, not river discharge, and the primary source of vertical mixing is from tidal currents (cf. Nishioka).
The section on 16/97-03 is also confusing. I agree that the extent of the EEP HNLC is primarily a function of ocean upwelling rather than aeolian dust deposition. But what is stated here ("we observe a reduction of the extent of the HNLC region in the EEP during an enhanced wind intensity period") is actually the opposite of what is expected, and what is shown in Figure 6. In the EEP the period of strongest upwelling is in the boreal summer (e.g., Philander and Chao, 1991, JPO 21: 1399), which is associated with an expansion of the HNLC in Figure 6. The same should be true on interannual time scales: a period of increased trade wind intensity should be associated with an expanded HNLC, not a reduction (see also 17/44-45).
The reference to a "meridional propagation of the MOC effect" on 17/33 also seems backwards to me: if the fluctuations in HNLC area arise from fluctuations in the strength of the MOC, should they not appear first in the SO and last in SNP? And then on 17/42 we have "weaker MOC is related to increases in the extent of the EEP and contraction of the SNP and the SO HNLC regions". This appears to contradict what was said above about stronger MOC implying stronger SO upwelling (17/29). Maybe that's just me making a simplistic assumption that stronger upwelling leads to an expanded HNLC. But maybe this is not the case in the SO, and the data do seem to show that the SO HNLC contracts after 2010. Possibly these things are related: the reason there is a lag between the EEP and the SO is that the changes in the SO HNLC extent are only affected by the declining phase of MOC fluctuations, not the strengthening phase. Why this would be I do not know, but it may have something to do with nutrient stoichiometries in the upwelled waters (e.g., 10.1038/nature02127; 10.1038/nature04883).
(4) The assertions regarding model-data agreement for NO3 (e.g., 5/50) are still unconvincing. Again, if you look at concentrations over depths where a strong vertical gradient exists, you are always going to get a strong correlation. My previous suggestion to look at surface concentrations only was not followed.
(5) On p. 10 it is stated that "It is noteworthy that nutrient concentrations are generally lower in the SNP (i.e. <17 mmol m-3) than in the SO while biomass is comparatively higher (see Table 1)." This is true, but when I look at the Table, the near-constant value of [NO3] within each Rx cluster is quite remarkable. I interpret this as evidence for the robustness of the method, and I think this is something that could be commented on in the Discussion.
(6) Is there any evidence for a "regime shift" in 2009-2010? I am wondering if any of the cited references discuss this.
Some details:
1/32 change "budgets" to "inventory"
2/35 Brindley misspelled (see also 25/26); Tyrrell misspelled
2/48-49 change "iron is required in largest amounts than any of the trace metals" to "iron requirements are the largest among the trace metals"
2/53 change "nutrient" to "macronutrient"; delete "often"
3/70 change "biological structure" to "ecosystem structure"
3/73-82 could add some additional literature citations here e.g., 10.1038/s41598-018-37436-3 (note that the method appears to detect two patterns that are seasonally HNLC: see Figure 3)
3/81-82 change "structural and functioning similitudes" to "structural and functional similarities"
3/97 change "in" to "on" and "response" to "responses"
4/21 delete "that varies with the latitude"
4/35-5/40 Something is wrong here: the text takes an abrupt zag from model description to climate indices and back again. Some text was accidentally spliced in the middle of another paragraph.
9/81 "is not more exceptional" I can't really tell what this means
9/84 I would consider also citing 10.1038/nature07716 here
9/94 change "distribution" to "mode"
10/15 delete "coupled"
10/16-17 I would replace "since" with a ; or a : and change "duplicates" to "doubles"
10/19 change "biomass" to "chlorophyll"
10/22 I would consider also citing Harrison et al 2004 here
11/38 "Most differentiated patterns, also displaying the highest probability of occurrence (the probability to find a pattern similar to the input data)" The most differentiated patterns, also displaying the highest probability of occurrence (the probability of finding a pattern similar to the input data)
11/41 "scenarios" seems like an odd choice of terms here
11/52 "winter" should be spring (April)?
11/64 the positive anomaly appears larger in April than in March
12/65-66 "boreal winter" should be "austral winter"? 25% exceeds the limits of the graph which shows max deviation as <20%
12/78 delete "the year"
12/78-79 "when ENSO variability intensified" Is there a data or literature reference for this? I have not heard of this before.
12/92 delete "the analysis of"
13/98 change "discriminate" to "delineate"
13/04-05 mention the physical ocean as well here (e.g., upwelling)?
13/10 delete "fields"
13/12 change "complex" to "diverse"
13/17 delete "unproductive"
13/17-18 "the SO is the largest region presenting clear latitudinal variation in the characteristic Chl patterns" This seems to conflate two separate points: the SO is the largest HNLC region and it is the ONLY one that shows clear latitudinal variation in the characteristic Chl patterns (Figure 3).
13/21-22 change "Both the SNP and the EEP respectively constitute 8% of the total HNLC" to "The SNP and the EEP each constitute ~8% of the total HNLC"
14/30 2019 should be 2009?
14/31-33 "This non-linear enhancement in phytoplankton, which is not exclusive to oceanic Fe-limited waters (see for example Marrari et al., 2017), positively biases the Chl increase rate in these subregions." Meaning is not clear, and the entire sentence is probably expendable.
14/61-62 "where seasonality is marginal" This does not appear to be the case in Figure 6.
15/63 "subregions with 6-month out-phased seasonal variations (north and south of the equator)" data reference? where is this shown?
15/71 "the seaways in the Pacific" circulation pathways?
15/78-79 "corresponds to a rather independently functioning intermediate water cell" rather corresponds to an independently functioning intermediate water cell
15/79-82 references to MOC here are ambiguous: if they are talking about the global MOC rather than PMOC it might be a good idea to put "global" before "MOC" for clarity (see also 15/87 "meridional circulation")
15/88 change "variations" to "variability"
16/06 "in this region" unclear antecedent; if still talking about the EEP here, please specify
16/08 "the ENSO index" which index? there are many ENSO indices to choose from
16/12 delete "events"
16/12-14 I think this whole sentence is expendable.
16/20 change "ENSO-related equator-originated sea surface height anomalies" to "ENSO-related sea surface height anomalies originating in the tropics"
16/23 change "which nicely explains the fluctuations of salinity, nutrients, and chlorophyll" to "which explains strongly correlated fluctuations of salinity, nutrients, and chlorophyll"
17/34 "Figure 8b also reveals a decline of the MOC until 2010". This Figure does not appear to exist. (and change "until" to "around")
17/46 "the slowing down of the overturning circulation in the Pacific Ocean since the 1970s" This statement seems incongruous given that the cited reference is > 20 years old. Do we know that this trend continued or consolidated? Or is this a case of interdecadal variability that manifests as a slowdown over the period studied but has since reversed?
17/52 "an atmosphere's energy balance indicator" I don't think this is necessary.
17/58 change "reduce" to "reduced"
18/63 change "is considered" to "occurs"
18/63 change "Paleoceanographical records reveal a strong correlation between proxies of aeolian Fe flux and productivity has been reported" to "Paleoceanographical records showing a strong correlation between proxies of aeolian Fe flux and productivity have been reported"
18/65 "in present times, dust deposition in this area has notably varied" Is there a literature reference for this (e.g., 10.1073/pnas.0607657104)?
18/76 "further evidence of the global scale coupling and feedback between the atmosphere, the ocean, and global productivity variations" Possibly this is true, but nothing shown in this paper necessarily depends on ocean-atmosphere feedbacks. Similarly with "anomalies in global forcing intensity". It's not clear what is meant by "forcing intensity" here, but I do not think anything shown here requires a change in e.g., global net forcing of climate by GHGs, or a change in the global mean surface ocean wind stress.
191/4 URL for CARINA is outdated (should be ncei.noaa.gov)
19/22 Aumont reference cites Discussion paper; should cite final published version
20/50 Nojiri misspelled
Reference format is still inconsistent in that journal titles are sometimes abbreviated, sometimes not; sometimes all words capitalized, sometimes not; author names sometimes spelled out, sometimes not;
Table 2 caption should define "Max variation" and state monthly or annual mean data
Figure 1 caption "SOM time-domain analysis at global and regional means" meaning not clear; means of what?
Figure 2 caption "isolines are drawn at 4 mmol m-3 intervals" are they?
Figure 4 caption state monthly or annual mean data
Figure 6 caption "extent" is still spelled as "extension"
Figure 7 - the numbering scheme is unusual. I see the logic of it but it may violate journal standard. |