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The Levantine Intermediate Water in the western Mediterranean and its interactions with the Algerian Gyres: insights from 60 years of observation
Katia Mallil
Pierre Testor
Anthony Bosse
Félix Margirier
Loic Houpert
Hervé Le Goff
Laurent Mortier
Ferial Louanchi
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RC1: 'Comment on os-2021-120', Anonymous Referee #1, 08 Feb 2022
Review of “The Levantine Intermediate Water in the western Mediterranean and its interactions with the Algerian Gyres: insights from 60 years of observation ”
By Katia Mallil, P. Testor, A. Bosse, F. Margirier, L. Houpert, H. Le Goff, L. Mortier, and F. Louanchi.
The authors describe the Levantine Intermediate Water (LIW) in the western Mediterranean using in-situ data gathered over more than 50 years with a particular interest given to the Algerian Gyres region. The mean and variability of the LIW temperature and salinity are assessed. Regarding the variability of the LIW, the data suggests a significant cooling of the LIW in the late 70s early 80s and a rapid warming after 2012. Salinity trends are also described here (although in-situ are sparse). I found this work interesting, well-organized, and well-written. The amount of available in-situ data itself deserves publication.
While the analyses/trends would deserve more statistical significance (in particular with respect to the number of sin-situ data), I would recommend this article for publication after a careful revision of the following comments.
I wish the manuscript had included the origin and physical mechanisms of the cooling and warming. I hope it could be part of an additional study combining the large in-situ dataset presented here and some non-assimilated ocean model experiments.
Comments:
Line 10: This does not seem to be a statistically significant trend for the period 1960-2017. In fact, you say warming for the period 1960-2017, but if you choose the period 1965-2012, it looks like a cooling trend. See below for more comments.
Line 15: What does “active” mean in “active thermohaline circulation” ?
Line 24-25: Could you move these lines a couple of lines after? This paragraph is well-written but you mention successively the MOW, then the LIW, then the MOW, and back to the LIW.
Line 29: “Levantine Intermediate Water “ -> LIW
Line 37: If it does not make Figure 1 too busy and unreadable, could you show these Algerian gyres in Figure 1? Or perhaps having a new figure that shows the mean circulation of the region, including the Algerian gyres, Sardinia Eddies, bathymetry …. In particular for readers (like me) who are not familiar with this region.
Line 50: furtheR
Line 53: What are the findings of “Testor et al. (2005a)” ?
Line 60: 0.005°C/year. Can it be called “warming”? I’m guessing that number is not statistically significant. Same for the salinity “trend”. If the references listed here found these values to be significant, please add the information to the text.
Line 70-71: Sect. -> Section
Figure 1 caption: “total number of data” -> “total number of profiles”
L100: any references for the “WMDW having small natural variability within a year (0.01)”. What is the percentage of data going through the correction of salinity offset?
L119: Reference for choosing the range “28.95-29.115 kg.m-3”?
L136: Do you mean “western” Algerian Gyre?
L133-145: Except for EAIg and WAIg, how do you choose the other regions ? Are they related to bathymetry?
Line 154: Can you indicate the LIW in Figure 3?
Line 155-161: It would be clearer to plot the 2010-2008 and 2014-2008 differences (with a red-white-blue colorbar) to visualize the “trends”.
Line 169: You might want to overlap SSH contours from altimetry to clearly see the anticyclone in Figure 5
Line 172-174: Does the LIW exhibit seasonal variability? If so, how did you compute the climatological values?
Figure 6: That would be interesting (not for this manuscript, just a thought) to add to Figure 6 the thickness of the LIW.
Line 180-182: How do you compute the climatology. Did you just compute the mean of all your data? If so, and as you mentioned, the mean value will strongly depend on the number of data per year. Why not do the mean of monthly mean data? (Or if there is little climatology do the mean of yearly mean data).
Line 188: Are the cyclonic Algerian Gyres some types of mode water eddies ?
Line 190: from table 1, the “overall increase” is true only for Albo and AlgC
Line 193 and 202: Does your analysis start from 1969 or from 1960?
Line 194: Θ -> Θ & S
Line 195: By “error” you mean standard deviation?
Table 1 and 2: Rather than using grey values for R2<0.5, you should use grey values for non statistical significant values.
Line 197: “… different phases best fitted …”. I am not sure I understand. Why do you change the time period in each phase? For e.g. Why do you choose 2009-2017 for SSar? This is twice as long as the 2014-2017 period.
General comment: The number of points used in this analysis is very small, in particular for salinity for the period 1960-2010 or for temperature for the periods 1960-1970 and 2000-2010. In most years between 1960-2010 you have less than 5 data points per year for the 8 regions, meaning that most of the regions do not have data and the rest have 2-5 data points. This would be even more problematic if there is a seasonal cycle. How do you take this lack of in-situ data into consideration in your calculations?
Line 202-203: Only half of the region shows that “increase”. Also, Table 2 shows some misleading values. For e.g, the salinity increase for SaMi for the period 1967-1977 (R2=0.8). It seems however that there is no data between 1970-1997 from Figure 8b.
Line 207: Only 3 out of the 8 regions show a “significant” freshening. Yet, the conclusion is that there is a freshening.
Line 209: “propagates”. How do you arrive at that conclusion? You look at yearly averaged, does it take several years for the signal to propagate from SSar to the other regions?
Line 211: If we assume that R2<0.5 is not significant (I recommend using grey values for statistical significance), then only 2 out of the 8 regions have significant temperature trends (one warming and one colling). Yet, the conclusion here is “tending towards increase for most areas (6 regions over 8)”
Line 215: “WAlg between 2013 and 2014 “. This is only a 2 year long period (i.e. 2 points).
Figure 8: This figure is great and clean. The separation between bars (and points) which represent each year is however not consistent. It would be also easier to read if the vertical dotted lines also correspond to 1 year.
Line 225: “monthly averaged data”. I felt already that there were very few data points for the yearly averaged time series (bars on Figure 8a). This section now uses monthly averaged data. Do you have enough data for that?
Line 226-229: Need to be rephrased.
Section 3.4: This is an interesting section. Are the “advection times” observed in other studies (could be during different periods of time). Can the 15months lag between MAIg and WAIg be explained physically? Is the surface circulation similar to the one at the LIW depth?
Line 266: “have” -> “has”.
Line 266: Is “Millot (1999)” support the “slow accumulation over time of LIW in the interior of the Algerian basin”? If so, move the reference up in the sentence.
Line 283: Add the period of time of the cooling discussed here.
Line 292: “the” -> “The”
Line 292-295: What are the propagation speed of those eddies. Is it consistent with the lag correlations in Figure 9?.
Line 296: Again, is the 47 lag realistic from the circulation of the region?
Line 354: Why is it alarming? Impact of biology, ecosystem, …?
Acknowledgments: Do not forget to add the funding agencies, if applicable.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/os-2021-120-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Katia Mallil, 01 Apr 2022
First of all, we would like to thank you very much for all your interesting remarks that helped us improve the manuscript, especially regarding the statistical significance of the trends.
Please find below the responses to each of the comments.
Best regards.
Comment on os-2021-120
Anonymous Referee #1
Referee comment on "The Levantine Intermediate Water in the western Mediterranean and its interactions with the Algerian Gyres: insights from 60 years of observation" by Katia Mallil et al., Ocean Sci. Discuss., https://doi.org/10.5194/os-2021-120-RC1, 2022
Review of “The Levantine Intermediate Water in the western Mediterranean and its interactions with the Algerian Gyres: insights from 60 years of observation ”
By Katia Mallil, P. Testor, A. Bosse, F. Margirier, L. Houpert, H. Le Goff, L. Mortier, and F. Louanchi.
The authors describe the Levantine Intermediate Water (LIW) in the western Mediterranean using in-situ data gathered over more than 50 years with a particular interest given to the Algerian Gyres region. The mean and variability of the LIW temperature and salinity are assessed. Regarding the variability of the LIW, the data suggests a significant cooling of the LIW in the late 70s early 80s and a rapid warming after 2012. Salinity trends are also described here (although in-situ are sparse). I found this work interesting, well-organized, and well-written. The amount of available in-situ data itself deserves publication.
While the analyses/trends would deserve more statistical significance (in particular with respect to the number of sin-situ data), I would recommend this article for publication after a careful revision of the following comments.
I wish the manuscript had included the origin and physical mechanisms of the cooling and warming. I hope it could be part of an additional study combining the large in-situ dataset presented here and some non-assimilated ocean model experiments.
Comments:
Line 10: This does not seem to be a statistically significant trend for the period 1960-2017. In fact, you say warming for the period 1960-2017, but if you choose the period 1965-2012, it looks like a cooling trend. See below for more comments.
Thank you for bringing up this point, indeed, the obtained time series are very irregular and the value of the obtained trends depend highly on the chosen period, especially for temperature, however throughout our study, the evolution tended toward warming in the long term. We tried computing the trends for the period 1965-2012, these turned out to be on average slightly positive +0.0007 ±0.0017°C/year and +0.0013 ±0.0005/year. We agree that the significance of the trend over such a long period of time is small. While the salinity trend is clear and monotonous, the variability of the temperature is also impacted by decadal signals. We slightly modify our statement about the temperature trend. "While there is no significant temperature trend over the full study period, the more recent period 1988-2017 has been characterized by a clear temperature increase of 0.005±0.003°C/year, accelerating to a rate of 0.05±0.04°C/year between 2013 and 2017."
Line 15: What does “active” mean in “active thermohaline circulation” ?
We qualified the thermohaline circulation as "active", because of the variety of processes involved, including deep convection. Also, the residency time of waters in the Mediterranean is estimated to be of about 100 years, which is an order of magnitude smaller than the residency time associated with global thermohaline circulation. We suggest to use instead the term "dynamic" also refer recent changes in deep convection that were well documented (Margirier et al 2020, Somot et al 2018).
Line 24-25: Could you move these lines a couple of lines after? This paragraph is well written but you mention successively the MOW, then the LIW, then the MOW, and back to the LIW.
Thank you for pointing this out, it has been reorganised following recommendations of #Refree 2. After mentioning MOW, we proceeded to introduce LIW as an important constituent of it, describing its origin and properties. After that we indicated that the southwestern part of the Mediterranean was less documented than the other parts of the basin especially regarding LIW.
Line 29: “Levantine Intermediate Water “ -> LIW
This have been sorted, thank you.
Line 37: If it does not make Figure 1 too busy and unreadable, could you show these Algerian gyres in Figure 1? Or perhaps having a new figure that shows the mean circulation of the region, including the Algerian gyres, Sardinia Eddies, bathymetry …. In particular for readers (like me) who are not familiar with this region.
Thank you for the suggestion, we will add a simple schematic figure to indicate the circulation features.
Line 50: furtheR
Sorted, thank you.
Line 53: What are the findings of “Testor et al. (2005a)” ?
Testor et al. (2005a) have confirmed, using the numerical model, that the Sardinian eddies present a core of LIW at intermediate depths with characteristics close to those found in the Sardinian LIW demonstrating their transport efficiency. A sentence was added to clarify that.
Line 60: 0.005°C/year. Can it be called “warming”? I’m guessing that number is not statistically significant. Same for the salinity “trend”. If the references listed here found these values to be significant, please add the information to the text.
Indeed the trends are small and based on few observations of a dynamical system. But still, these trends are however significant. The deep water properties were thought for a long time to have constant temperature and salinity, before oceanographers discovered that deep convection was renewing them and abruptly modify their TS properties. In that context, bethoux et al. (1990) have shown an increase of T of 0.12 °C between 1959 to 1989 in the deep water (>2000) using historical observations observation. Then from volume and heat conservation calculations, an increasing trend of 0.005 °C/year in the intermediate layer have been deduced. Bethoux et al. (1996) have compared in situ T and S measurements of intermediate layer from historical data covering the 1950-1973 period (Nyffeler et al. 1980) and measurements acquired in 1991 and 1992, and have shown an increase of temperature of 0.0068 °C/ year and an increase in salinity of 0.0018 / year. Sparnocchia et al. (1994) have also reported a significant increase in LIW core temperature in almost all the areas of the Western Mediterranean, based on data from 1950 to 1987 (eg: 0.0091°C/ year in Ligurian Sea and 0.0065°C/year in Sicily channel).
These trends are synthesized in table 1 from Vargas et al. (2009)
Line 70-71: Sect. -> Section
In fact, it is in the OS instructions for authors that sections should be referred to by Sect.
Figure 1 caption: “total number of data” -> “total number of profiles”
Sorted, thank you.
L100: any references for the “WMDW having small natural variability within a year (0.01)”. What is the percentage of data going through the correction of salinity offset?
After checking, it turns out that the correction of salinity offset algorithm failed to correct the detected outlying profiles in the absence of proper reference . We will try to adapt the parameters, otherwise this part will be discarded. Thank you for pointing this out. The natural variability of ~(0.01) in salinity over a year was documented by Houpert et al (2016) during deep convection year, which can be considered as an upper bound, as years of weak convection will not affect the properties of the deep waters very much.
L119: Reference for choosing the range “28.95-29.115 kg.m-3”?
We did not use literature to determine this range, instead, we used reference data such as quality-checked cruise and glider data to set a broad range encompassing the layer of LIW.
L136: Do you mean “western” Algerian Gyre?
Yes, thank you. The mistake have ben corrected.
L133-145: Except for EAIg and WAIg, how do you choose the other regions ? Are they related to bathymetry?
We chose the regions for our study to be relevant in respect to the circulation features. As suggested above and by reviewer 2, we will add a figure with the general circulation and the bathymetry that will help to understand our choices.
Line 154: Can you indicate the LIW in Figure 3?
I am not sure I understand your request here, the sentence in line 154 have been rephrased to clarify what I meant, " but one can identify a marked patch of LIW at about 400 km during each cruise (Fig. 3) >> but one can identify a patch of higher temperature and salinity within the LIW layer, starting at about 400 km from point A, during each cruise (Fig. 3). A ellipse will be added in Fig. 3 around the marked patch to help the reader. Please let me know if it is not what you meant, Thank you.
Line 155-161: It would be clearer to plot the 2010-2008 and 2014-2008 differences (with a red-white-blue colorbar) to visualize the “trends”.
Great suggestion, a third column in figure 3 or an appendix figure would be great to visualise the evolution. Thank you.
Line 169: You might want to overlap SSH contours from altimetry to clearly see the anticyclone in Figure 5
indeed, thank you for the suggestion. We will have a look at the CMEMS SSH product to add this information if it shows well the observed pattern.
Line 172-174: Does the LIW exhibit seasonal variability? If so, how did you compute the climatological values?
LIW does not exhibit any seasonal variations, once formed in the Levantine basin, it is not in contact with the air, except in very specific areas of deep convection (NW Mediterranean Sea, Aegean, Adriatic, ...). In the study region, the LIW characteristics are mainly modified by mixing with the adjacent waters, and vertically by the interior turbulence.
Figure 6: That would be interesting (not for this manuscript, just a thought) to add to Figure 6 the thickness of the LIW.
In our study, we focused on detecting the core of the LIW, but for sure this would be an interesting perspective to look at the thickness of the LIW. Thank you for the idea.
Line 180-182: How do you compute the climatology. Did you just compute the mean of all your data? If so, and as you mentioned, the mean value will strongly depend on the number of data per year. Why not do the mean of monthly mean data? (Or if there is little climatology do the mean of yearly mean data).
Yes, the climatology is a mean of all the data. Indeed, doing a mean of yearly means will reduce significantly the bias, we will prepare new climatology following your suggestion, thank you.
Line 188: Are the cyclonic Algerian Gyres some types of mode water eddies ?
No the Algerian Gyres are large scale cyclonic circulation features, mainly barotropic with a velocities of about 5cm/s within which the Anticyclonic Algerian Eddies live.
Line 190: from table 1, the “overall increase” is true only for Albo and AlgC
You are right, the trends of the whole study period are not very clear and significant. We thus rephrased: “The evolution of potential temperature of the LIW as seen in Fig. 8 is showing a slight overall increase over the 1960-2017 period, however not monotonous and significant only for Albo and AlgC regions (Table 1).”
Line 193 and 202: Does your analysis start from 1969 or from 1960?
For the trend analysis, almost all the 60s data were discarded because of the scarcity of the data. However, in the climatology analysis, all data have been taken into account.
Line 194: Θ -> Θ & S
Sorted, thank you.
Line 195: By “error” you mean standard deviation?
We meant, confidence interval, the sentence is redundant, it has been rephrased. Thank you for pointing it out.
Table 1 and 2: Rather than using grey values for R2<0.5, you should use grey values for non statistical significant values.
You are right, the R² values indicate how much of the variance of the data points is explained by the linear regression. It is thus fair to exclude data of low R2 since the linear trend is not explaining an important signal.
To assess the significance of the trends, p-values were computed. It turns out that none of the grey data (R2<0.5) are statistically significant. In addition to that, some trends with R²>0.5 were also not statistically significant, probably because of the low number of data points used for the regression. In the revision of the manuscript, we will thus only consider trends with p-values inferior to the acceptable 0.05 threshold. Thank for this suggestion.
Line 197: “… different phases best fitted …”. I am not sure I understand. Why do you change the time period in each phase? For e.g. Why do you choose 2009-2017 for SSar? This is twice as long as the 2014-2017 period.
Indeed, the recent increase in temperature (already documented in the Sicily channel, see Shroeder et al 2017) arrived from the Easter Mediterranean entering the study area by the Ssar region. This is why we observe an accelerated increase in temperature already from 2009 in Ssar box. This is the motivation for having a different time period between the regions. We will explain this physical reason more precisely in the text.
General comment: The number of points used in this analysis is very small, in particular for salinity for the period 1960-2010 or for temperature for the periods 1960-1970 and 2000-2010. In most years between 1960-2010 you have less than 5 data points per year for the 8 regions, meaning that most of the regions do not have data and the rest have 2-5 data points. This would be even more problematic if there is a seasonal cycle. How do you take this lack of in-situ data into consideration in your calculations?
First, we would like to clarify that the histogram that is represented in figure 8 represents the mean number of data used to compute the annual mean in each polygon, so there is on average 5 data points in each region. It is true that this number is not high, but over the whole period the number of data point become significant to make some statistics and compute some trends.
We have already justified why the seasonal cycle should not be an issue.
Line 202-203: Only half of the region shows that “increase”. Also, Table 2 shows some misleading values. For e.g, the salinity increase for SaMi for the period 1967-1977 (R2=0.8). It seems however that there is no data between 1970-1997 from Figure 8b.
You are right, we will check this. With the computation of the number of points per sample in the tables and p-values, we should be able to track those mistake. This is link to the comment about significance of the trends, only p-values could tell us how significant the trends are. R² can be wrongly high when the sample is small...
Line 207: Only 3 out of the 8 regions show a “significant” freshening. Yet, the conclusion is that there is a freshening.
Indeed, we will reassess our conclusions for this period, the signal is indeed not that clear.
Line 209: “propagates”. How do you arrive at that conclusion? You look at yearly averaged, does it take several years for the signal to propagate from SSar to the other regions?
If we anticipate the results presented in the paper (fig 9), it takes indeed 1-3 years for the signal to propagate from the Ssar to the other region. If it was advected by horizontal currents, the signal would spread faster, but the cross-shelf exchange is mainly driven by horizontal diffusion by mesoscale eddies and thus takes more time than the typical advection speed of currents.
Line 211: If we assume that R2<0.5 is not significant (I recommend using grey values for statistical significance), then only 2 out of the 8 regions have significant temperature trends (one warming and one colling). Yet, the conclusion here is “tending towards increase for most areas (6 regions over 8)”
Thanks for pointing this out, we will re-assess the trends once more information will be provided in the table.
Line 215: “WAlg between 2013 and 2014 “. This is only a 2 year long period (i.e. 2
points).
You are right, this is not significant and we will remove it from the text.
Figure 8: This figure is great and clean. The separation between bars (and points) which represent each year is however not consistent. It would be also easier to read if the vertical dotted lines also correspond to 1 year.
This has also been pointed out by reviewer2, it will be fixed. Thank you.
Line 225: “monthly averaged data”. I felt already that there were very few data points for the yearly averaged time series (bars on Figure 8a). This section now uses monthly averaged data. Do you have enough data for that?
We will carefully check and document the number of data points presents in the regions considered.
Line 226-229: Need to be rephrased.
This has been rephrased: “In Fig. 9, the cooling signal across the Algerian basin is tracked in time. The map shows in solid gray arrows the along-slope circulation, as shown in Millot and Taupier-Letage (2005b), the transparent red polygons with the numbers showing the time in months needed for the signal to travel from south Sardinia (SSar polygon) to the other areas in the Algerian basin.”
Section 3.4: This is an interesting section. Are the “advection times” observed in other studies (could be during different periods of time). Can the 15months lag between MAIg and WAIg be explained physically? Is the surface circulation similar to the one at the LIW depth?
The circulation at LIW depth is clearly less energetic than at the surface, especially in the Algerian Basin where lots of intense Algerian Eddies have surface intensified velocities of ~(0.5m/s). The velocities in the LIW layer is ~(0.01-0.1m/s). The two regions are separated by approximately 200km, which corresponds to a propagation speed of 5 mm/s. There is no direct route to transport the LIW signal by the mean circulation and the eddy-induced horizontal transport act at an effective speed much smaller than the actual observed current velocities at the LIW depth.
Line 266: “have” -> “has”.
Sorted, thank you.
Line 266: Is “Millot (1999)” support the “slow accumulation over time of LIW in the interior of the Algerian basin”? If so, move the reference up in the sentence.
Millot (1999) does not explicitly talk about slow accumulation over time, it is only said that averaging without precautions may mislead into thinking there is a direct route from southwest of Sardinia towards the Algerian basin. This will be checked carefully and rephrased. Thank you for pointing this out.
Line 283: Add the period of time of the cooling discussed here.
The period 1978-1986 have been added to the texte, thank you.
Line 292: “the” -> “The”
Sorted, thank you.
Line 292-295: What are the propagation speed of those eddies. Is it consistent with the lag correlations in Figure 9?.
The zonal velocities of large anticyclonic eddies detected and tracked from altimetry maps for the 20 year as estimated by Escudier et al. (2016) are of about 3 to 6 cm/s, (or ~2.5 to 5 km/day). if we use this number to estimate the propagation time of the signal, we obtain a transit time of ~1.5 to 3 months to cross 2° of latitude, which is consistent with the result we obtained for the SaMi region and the MAlg one. Testor et al. (2005a) have estimated an average translation velocity of the Sardinian Eddies to be of ~ 2 to 3 cm/s (or ~ 1.7 to 2.5 km/day) which gives us, 3 to 4 months to cross 2° of latitude, this is slightly larger than the result we obtained for SaMi and MAlg, but the order of magnitude is consistent. The interior of the Algerian gyres however, present much larger transit times, and that is because of the wiggly motion that most of the eddies have following eddy-eddy interaction and the cyclonic barotropic circulation close to the gyres centers.
Line 296: Again, is the 47 lag realistic from the circulation of the region?
If we use the velocities of the LIW in the Provençal basin (5.7 to 9.4 cm/s) obtained from Margirier et al. (2020), to compute a transit time of a signal traveling from SSar to SIbi (~2450 km), we would obtain ~10 to 20 months, which is smaller than the 47 months obtained in our analysis, but the interesting information here is obtained when comparing the 47 months of SIbi with the 29 months in Albo that could reveal that the Eddy transport helps the efficiency of the intermediate water mass transport from SSar to Albo across the Algerian basin, and/ or the differential effect of this eddy transport. North of the eastern Algerian gyre, the transport is very effective, hence the 2 and 4 months, but then, once the eddies start swirling around the gyres, they progress slowly to transport the signal in other parts of the basin.
Line 354: Why is it alarming? Impact of biology, ecosystem, …?
We have expended this last sentence: “A closer monitoring of water mass properties need to be sustained. It is crucial to maintain and reinforce existing surveillance systems as they can assess the direct impacts of climate change in the Mediterranean hot-spot. In the future, we can expect important modification of the water masses properties with major consequences: increase of temperature, stratification, collapse of deep convection in the NW Mediterranean Sea (Parras-Berrocal, et al 2022), thus affecting its profound functioning and the rich but fragile ecosystems that is hosts. It is reported in Lacoue-Labarthe et al. (2016) that an increased warming is likely to result in mass mortality of seagrass Posidonia oceanica (which is a very important habitat in the Mediterranean, and constitutes an important carbon sink), invertebrates, sponges and corrals ..etc. Invasive warm water species of algae, invertebrates and fish are increasing their geographical ranges. In addition to that, the proliferation of pathogens are expected, increasing the spreading of diseases."
Acknowledgments: Do not forget to add the funding agencies, if applicable.
We entered the information about funding separately in a dedicated space during submission. I suppose it will be included in the final version even though it is not visible in the pre-print
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/os-2021-120-AC1
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Katia Mallil, 01 Apr 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on os-2021-120', Anonymous Referee #2, 13 Feb 2022
General comments
The ms presents an analysis of an extensive amount of thermohaline data in the Algerian basin from the 60s to almost the present day. From this large dataset, Mallil and coauthors investigate the role of the Algerian Gyres in the transport of the Levantine Intermediate Water (LIW) throughout the basin. Dividing the basin into distinct zones, they estimate temperature and salinity trends in the LIW density classes over different time periods. From a cooling signal detected in the LIW during one of these periods, first off Sardinia and subsequently in the rest of the considered regions, they estimate LIW spreading time periods throughout the Algerian basin.
The ms is rigorous and the conclusions are well supported. It is also well organized and clearly written. The wording of some sentences seems odd to me, but this rarely happens. I urge the authors to revise the use of symbols and units throughout the manuscript (see comments).
In my opinion, this paper is a significant and relevant contribution to the research community, and deserves to be published once the following comments and corrections are taken into account.
Specific comments
L6. Indicate the values within the results section as well. It is stated on line 180 that the LIW is warmer and saltier in the eastern Algerian basin than in the Provençal basin, but the estimated values are not explicitly given there.
L6. Remove salinity units (practical salinity is unitless).
L6-L7. Is the sinking not presumedly produced by the regular presence of anticyclonic AEs coupled to the circulation of the Algerian Gyres (L270-L272)? I think it would be appropriate to clarify.
L14-L31. I recommend restructuring this part of the introduction slightly and checking the wording to improve clarity, especially for a reader unfamiliar with the topic and area of study. All the necessary information is already included there, but I find a bit confusing the way it is structured.
For example, one option might be: after explaining the thermohaline functioning of the basin, the exchange across the Strait of Gibraltar and the MOW, one could then describe the LIW as an important constituent of the MOW (describing the origin, properties and general circulation pattern of the LIW in the Western Mediterranean), to conclude by indicating that the circulation of the southwestern region of Mediterranean has been relatively unexplored compared to other areas of the basin, especially regarding the LIW, even though the presence of the Algerian current and the generation of meanders and eddies are well known. Subsequently, in the next paragraph, proceed to describe the results of the MATER program in the region, and so on.
L17. Relatively warm and fresh
L30-L31. LIW core is identified by an absolute salinity maximum and a relative temperature maximum.
L41. ‘AEs transport LIW from the vein flowing northward along the continental slope of Sardinia…’. In relation to the previous comment (L14-L31), I think it would be helpful to include a general description of the LIW circulation in the Western Mediterranean so that the reader can more easily follow the introduction. Perhaps (if posible), even include a simple schematic in Figure 1 to help the reader? A subplot/inset?
L64-65. Wording seems odd to me. Please, check it.
L66-L70. I suggest indicating also here briefly what type of observational data will be used in the study.
Figure 1. Indicate in the caption the meaning of the background contour lines and specify units of the axes in the figure on the left. Also, use lowercase theta for potential temperature in the caption (correct this elsewhere in the manuscript and figures). Uppercase theta denotes conservative temperature.
L103. General comment on ‘Removal of outliers’: why don’t you set an upper density threshold for outliers in the deepest layers (>2000 m)? In Figure 2, one can observe a profile (from the 80-90s approx.?) that reaches a maximum sigma_theta value around 29.27 kg/m3, and which I assume corresponds to the deepest layers. I understand that these values are outside your region of interest in the T-S plane, but why is this profile in Figure 2 not considered an outlier?
Linked to this comment, I think it would be convenient to indicate somewhere in the manuscript the maximum depth of the basin, just to contextualize the depth range of the profile.
L113. Since it has been indicated above (L107) that lowercase theta denotes potential temperature, you might use it here instead. At any rate, temperature and potential temperature are used interchangeably throughout the manuscript, therefore I recommend using one or the other consistently (if temperature is used, clearly state that it means potential temperature throughout the ms)
L114. I suggest explaining here what these data will be used for.
Figure 2. Remove salinity units (practical salinity is unitless), and replace uppercase theta (conservative temperature) with lowercase theta (potential temperature) as indicated above.
L129. General comment on ‘Regions of interest’: this subsection presents the distinct polygons defined from the different circulation features of the basin. The inclusion of a schematic in Figure 1 sketching those features as recommended before, would also greatly help the reader here.
L131-L132. This sentence sounds strange to me. Check it and consider rephrasing for clarity.
L137. Replace ‘south of Sardinia’ with ‘south and west of Sardinia’ since the polygon extends all over that region, and not only off south Sardinia.
L140. Replace ‘along-slope LIW vein’ with ‘Sardinian along-slope LIW vein’ for clarity.
L148-L152. I suggest explaining this part at the end of Section 2.1.
L163-L165. I recommend including this information in the explanation of the SOMBA-GE 2012 survey provided in Section 2.1.
L165/Figure 4. Why do you only use layers from 1200 m to bottom (well beneath the LIW core depth range)?
L177. Check ‘Western Algerian Gyre’. Do you mean the Eastern Algerian Gyre?
Figure 6. Indicate also in the caption what the white isoline denotes. Add the axes units.
Figure 7. Add axes units. Replace ‘density’ with potential density anomaly. Check ‘Western Algerian Gyre’ (Eastern?)
L190. I wouldn’t say ‘overall increase’ since that increase has a lot of uncertainty, only in 2/8 areas R2 is greater than 0.5. The general increase is much clearer in the case of salinity.
L197. Check wording.
L205. ‘A brutal decrease’. Wouldn’t it be better to use another word such as 'prominent'?
L212. Indicate that in this period, potential temperature trends present very low R2 values.
L214-L215. This is a bit difficult to observe in the graph. I recommend changing the vertical grid in Figure 8 so that each dotted vertical line corresponds to the beginning of each year.
Figure 8. Since monthly means are used in the cross-correlation, I understand that the vertical bars refer to the average number of points in EACH polygon (not in ALL polygons). The right y axis label in Figure 8 is a bit confusing to me. I may be missing something. Could you clarify this point?
Caption in Figure 8. Indicate that these are annual means.
Table 1. Could you include the basin-averaged trend as well? Same for Table 2.
Table 2. Check MAlg (NaNs in Period 1 and 2).
L266. I think the reference should be placed earlier in the sentence.
L270-L272. Just a comment: wasn’t the presence of one of them captured during the SOMBA-GE 2014 survey?
L299. Clarify that the cross-shelf transport occurs over the Sardinian continental shelf.
L309. Why ‘some positive trends’? According to Table 1, all potential temperature trends are positive for the full period.
L.354. Explain why is it alarming.
Technical corrections
L8. Replace ‘the signal’ with ‘a signal’
L15. Change ‘is’ to ‘are’
L16. Preconditioning
L20. AEs acronym should be defined here, right after ‘Algerian Eddies’
L23. water masses
L23. of the whole Mediterranean
L24. MOW acronym should be defined here, following ‘Mediterranean Outflow Water’
L35-L36. Delete brackets in the coordinates
L41. Use AEs instead of ‘Algerian Eddies’ (also in L47)
L54. missing ‘r’ in further
L60. Sea
L68. broad
L109. Below
L119. Figure 1 must be referenced before Figure 2 (Figure 1 is referenced for the first time on L130. Section 2.3).
L120. Indicate that the ‘maximum values’ are maximum values within the selected range
L144. Use MOW instead of Mediterranean Outflow Waters
Figure 3. Add axes units in (a) and colorbar units in (b), (c), (d) or indicate them in the caption.
Caption of Figure 5: helpS TO identify
L193. Replace 1969 with 1960.
Caption of Table 1. Replace ‘temperature’ with ‘potential temperature’
L227. Replace ‘along-slope circulation’ with ‘basin-scale along-slope circulation’.
L227. What do you mean by ‘shear red’?
Table 2. Delete ‘(unit)’ in caption.
Figure 9. Correct ‘PRincipal’. Add axes units.
Caption of Figure 9. L2. Replace ‘were’ with ‘was’
L254. Replace ‘right’ with ‘easternmost’
L264. Indicate that the LIW vein is that off Sardinia.
L283-L284. Specify after ‘could be identified’ that it was south/west of Sardinia.
L292. The anticyclonic
L317. Vargas-Yáñez (check the spelling). Also in L325.
L342. has
L343. replace ‘but’ with ‘and’?
L359. conTributed
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/os-2021-120-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Katia Mallil, 01 Apr 2022
First of all, we would like to thank you very much for all your interesting remarks that helped us improve the paper.Please find below the responses to each of the comments.Best regards
Comment on os-2021-120
Anonymous Referee #2
Referee comment on "The Levantine Intermediate Water in the western Mediterranean and its interactions with the Algerian Gyres: insights from 60 years of observation" by Katia Mallil et al., Ocean Sci. Discuss., https://doi.org/10.5194/os-2021-120-RC2, 2022
General comments
The ms presents an analysis of an extensive amount of thermohaline data in the Algerian basin from the 60s to almost the present day. From this large dataset, Mallil and coauthors investigate the role of the Algerian Gyres in the transport of the Levantine Intermediate Water (LIW) throughout the basin. Dividing the basin into distinct zones, they estimate temperature and salinity trends in the LIW density classes over different time periods. From a cooling signal detected in the LIW during one of these periods, first off Sardinia and subsequently in the rest of the considered regions, they estimate LIW spreading time periods throughout the Algerian basin.
The ms is rigorous and the conclusions are well supported. It is also well organized and clearly written. The wording of some sentences seems odd to me, but this rarely happens. I urge the authors to revise the use of symbols and units throughout the manuscript (see comments).
In my opinion, this paper is a significant and relevant contribution to the research community, and deserves to be published once the following comments and corrections are taken into account.
Specific comments
L6. Indicate the values within the results section as well. It is stated on line 180 that the LIW is warmer and saltier in the eastern Algerian basin than in the Provençal basin, but the estimated values are not explicitly given there.
Thank you for pointing this out, the values have been added to the result section.
L6. Remove salinity units (practical salinity is unitless).
All salinity units have been removed, thank you.
L6-L7. Is the sinking not presumedly produced by the regular presence of anticyclonic AEs coupled to the circulation of the Algerian Gyres (L270-L272)? I think it would be appropriate to clarify.
This part have been rephrased for more clarity, thank you.
L14-L31. I recommend restructuring this part of the introduction slightly and checking the wording to improve clarity, especially for a reader unfamiliar with the topic and area of study. All the necessary information is already included there, but I find a bit confusing the way it is structured.
For example, one option might be: after explaining the thermohaline functioning of the basin, the exchange across the Strait of Gibraltar and the MOW, one could then describe the LIW as an important constituent of the MOW (describing the origin, properties and general circulation pattern of the LIW in the Western Mediterranean), to conclude by indicating that the circulation of the southwestern region of Mediterranean has been relatively unexplored compared to other areas of the basin, especially regarding the LIW, even though the presence of the Algerian current and the generation of meanders and eddies are well known. Subsequently, in the next paragraph, proceed to describe the results of the MATER program in the region, and so on.
Indeed, as also pointed out by reviewer 1, this part needed reorganisation. It has been addressed, thank you for the suggestion.
L17. Relatively warm and fresh
This has been corrected, thank you.
L30-L31. LIW core is identified by an absolute salinity maximum and a relative temperature maximum.
It is indeed more precise with this formulation, thank you.
L41. ‘AEs transport LIW from the vein flowing northward along the continental slope of Sardinia…’. In relation to the previous comment (L14-L31), I think it would be helpful to include a general description of the LIW circulation in the Western Mediterranean so that the reader can more easily follow the introduction. Perhaps (if posible), even include a simple schematic in Figure 1 to help the reader? A subplot/inset?
Thank you for the suggestion, reviewer 1 also suggested that. We will add a simple schematic figure to indicate the circulation features.
L64-65. Wording seems odd to me. Please, check it.
This sentence have been rephrased for more clarity, thank you.
L66-L70. I suggest indicating also here briefly what type of observational data will be used in the study.
A sentence have been added to this paragraph to mention the information, thank you.
Figure 1. Indicate in the caption the meaning of the background contour lines and specify units of the axes in the figure on the left. Also, use lowercase theta for potential temperature in the caption (correct this elsewhere in the manuscript and figures). Uppercase theta denotes conservative temperature.
The corrections have been implemented, Thank you.
L103. General comment on ‘Removal of outliers’: why don’t you set an upper density threshold for outliers in the deepest layers (>2000 m)? In Figure 2, one can observe a profile (from the 80-90s approx.?) that reaches a maximum sigma_theta value around 29.27 kg/m3, and which I assume corresponds to the deepest layers. I understand that these values are outside your region of interest in the T-S plane, but why is this profile in Figure 2 not considered an outlier?
An upper density threshold have already been applied, any profile that presented density larger than 29.2 kg/m3 from surface to 2000m, was considered an outlier. This particular profile that appears on figure 2 started presenting bizarre values precisely at 2000m, therefore, the criteria did not apply. The criteria was tweaked in order to address the problem. Thank you for mentioning that.
Linked to this comment, I think it would be convenient to indicate somewhere in the manuscript the maximum depth of the basin, just to contextualize the depth range of the profile.
A mention to the maximum depth of the basin have been added in line 121.
L113. Since it has been indicated above (L107) that lowercase theta denotes potential temperature, you might use it here instead. At any rate, temperature and potential temperature are used interchangeably throughout the manuscript, therefore I recommend using one or the other consistently (if temperature is used, clearly state that it means potential temperature throughout the ms)
Thank you for mentioning that, it has been corrected throughout the manuscript.
L114. I suggest explaining here what these data will be used for.
The current measurements have been used to look for a signature of the Algerian Gyres reaching the deep layers. The information was added to the manuscript, thank you.
Figure 2. Remove salinity units (practical salinity is unitless), and replace uppercase theta (conservative temperature) with lowercase theta (potential temperature) as indicated above.
It has been sorted, thank you.
L129. General comment on ‘Regions of interest’: this subsection presents the distinct polygons defined from the different circulation features of the basin. The inclusion of a schematic in Figure 1 sketching those features as recommended before, would also greatly help the reader here.
An additional scheme will be added to help the reader understand our choices. Thank you again.
L131-L132. This sentence sounds strange to me. Check it and consider rephrasing for clarity.
The sentence have been restructured to clarify meaning (we chose the boxes to include temperature and salinity profiles being similar enough to characterize one particular stage of circulation of LIW). thank you for the remark.
L137. Replace ‘south of Sardinia’ with ‘south and west of Sardinia’ since the polygon extends all over that region, and not only off south Sardinia.
It has been corrected throughout the manuscript, thank you.
L140. Replace ‘along-slope LIW vein’ with ‘Sardinian along-slope LIW vein’ for clarity.
It has been replaced throughout the manuscript, thank you.
L148-L152. I suggest explaining this part at the end of Section 2.1.
This part have been moved to the end of Section 2.1. as suggested, thank you
L163-L165. I recommend including this information in the explanation of the SOMBA-GE 2012 survey provided in Section 2.1.
This part belonged indeed in Section 2.1, it has been moved there. Thank you.
L165/Figure 4. Why do you only use layers from 1200 m to bottom (well beneath the LIW core depth range)?
We chose to look at layers from 1200m down to the bottom, because it is more stable than the above layers with dynamical structures which velocities might conceal the lower velocity of the Algerian Gyres.
L177. Check ‘Western Algerian Gyre’. Do you mean the Eastern Algerian Gyre?
Yes this was a mistake, thank you for pointing it out
Figure 6. Indicate also in the caption what the white isoline denotes. Add the axes units.
Thank you, this has been addressed.
Figure 7. Add axes units. Replace ‘density’ with potential density anomaly. Check ‘Western Algerian Gyre’ (Eastern?)
Again thank you for pointing out the mistakes, they have been sorted.
L190. I wouldn’t say ‘overall increase’ since that increase has a lot of uncertainty, only in 2/8 areas R2 is greater than 0.5. The general increase is much clearer in the case of salinity.
Thank you for pointing this out. Indeed, there is no significant trend for the full period according to the table. We thus rephrased to “The evolution of potential temperature of the LIW as seen in Fig. 8 is showing a slight overall increase over the 1960-2017 period, however not monotonous and significant only for Albo and AlgC regions (Table 1).”
As suggested by Refree 1, we will also reassess the significance of the trends. For that, we will use P-values to address the problem of large R² when there are few data points.
L197. Check wording.
We added some clarifications to the sentence, thank you.
L205. ‘A brutal decrease’. Wouldn’t it be better to use another word such as 'prominent'?
In fact, prominent or noticeable are better suited in this sentence. Thank you for the suggestion.
L212. Indicate that in this period, potential temperature trends present very low R2 values.
You are right, we should have referred to the trends in temperature with a comment on the low value of R2 for this period. Linked to the comment above (L190.), after including more information about significance, we will modify the text accordingly.
L214-L215. This is a bit difficult to observe in the graph. I recommend changing the vertical grid in Figure 8 so that each dotted vertical line corresponds to the beginning of each year.
Thank you for the suggestion, this will be fixed.
Figure 8. Since monthly means are used in the cross-correlation, I understand that the vertical bars refer to the average number of points in EACH polygon (not in ALL polygons). The right y axis label in Figure 8 is a bit confusing to me. I may be missing something. Could you clarify this point?
In figure 8, the vertical bars represent the mean number of points used to compute the annual mean each year, independently of which polygon it is. We tried representing the number of data in each polygon, respecting the color code (8 bars every year), but it crowded the figure too much so we computed the mean value and represented it in grey. The bar plot is here to illustrate the increase of the observing capacities in the last 20 years or so, mainly due to the start of the Argo program.
Caption in Figure 8. Indicate that these are annual means.
The legend indicates that these are annual means, the information have been added to the caption as well. Thank you.
Table 1. Could you include the basin-averaged trend as well? Same for Table 2.
This is a very good suggestion. We will work to provide an estimate of the basin trend by merging the observation of relevant polygons (the regions Walg Ealg and MAlg in the basin center are showing roughly the same pattern). The increase of points in the data set might improve the significance of the trend.
Table 2. Check MAlg (NaNs in Period 1 and 2).
We will look at the code and fix this bug, thanks for the remark.
L266. I think the reference should be placed earlier in the sentence.
This will be checked carefully. Thank you for pointing this out
L270-L272. Just a comment: wasn’t the presence of one of them captured during the SOMBA-GE 2014 survey?
Indeed an anticyclonic Algerian Eddy was captured during the SOMBA-GE2014 cruise, the surface signature of this AE is represented in fig.5, and the signature of its high velocities, even in the deeper layers, can be seen in fig.4. The East west section of the SOMBA-GE 2014 also shows a deepening of isotherms and isohalines at 600 km from point A on the panels (d) and (g) in fig.3. We added a reference to this observation in the text.
L299. Clarify that the cross-shelf transport occurs over the Sardinian continental shelf.
Indeed, we also noticed that this sentence was not particularly clear so we rephrased: “In the transit time analysis, the last area to get the signal was the south Balearic one, likely because in this region the LIW comes mainly from the along-slope advection by currents at intermediate depth circling the whole Western Mediterranean Sea, and is not much influenced by the less efficient eddy-driven transport across the Sardinian shelf.”
L309. Why ‘some positive trends’? According to Table 1, all potential temperature trends are positive for the full period.
Indeed, thanks for pointing this out. We will modify.
We will also assess the significance of the trends using P-values instead of the R² coefficient to address the problem of large R² when there are few data points. We will modify the interpretation accordingly.
L.354. Explain why is it alarming.
We have expended this last sentence: “A closer monitoring of water mass properties need to be sustained. It is crucial to maintain and reinforce existing surveillance systems as they can assess the direct impacts of climate change in the Mediterranean hot-spot. In the future, we can expect important modification of the water masses properties with major consequences: increase of temperature, stratification, collapse of deep convection in the NW Mediterranean Sea (Parras-Berrocal, et al 2022), thus affecting its profound functioning and the rich but fragile ecosystems that is hosts. It is reported in Lacoue-Labarthe et al. (2016) that an increased warming is likely to result in mass mortality of seagrass Posidonia oceanica (which is a very important habitat in the Mediterranean, and constitutes an important carbon sink), invertebrates, sponges and corrals ..etc. Invasive warm water species of algae, invertebrates and fish are increasing their geographical ranges. In addition to that, the proliferation of pathogens are expected, increasing the spreading of diseases."
Technical corrections
L8. Replace ‘the signal’ with ‘a signal’
Sorted, thank you.
L15. Change ‘is’ to ‘are’
Sorted, thank you.
L16. Preconditioning
Sorted, thank you.
L20. AEs acronym should be defined here, right after ‘Algerian Eddies’
Sorted, thank you.
L23. water masses
Sorted, thank you.
L23. of the whole Mediterranean
Sorted, thank you.
L24. MOW acronym should be defined here, following ‘Mediterranean Outflow Water’
Sorted, thank you.
L35-L36. Delete brackets in the coordinates
Sorted, thank you.
L41. Use AEs instead of ‘Algerian Eddies’ (also in L47)
Sorted, thank you.
L54. missing ‘r’ in further
Sorted, thank you.
L60. Sea
Sorted, thank you.
L68. broad
Sorted, thank you.
L109. Below
Sorted, thank you.
L119. Figure 1 must be referenced before Figure 2 (Figure 1 is referenced for the first time on L130. Section 2.3).
A reference to Figure 1 have been added to the first paragraph of Section 2.1, thank you.
L120. Indicate that the ‘maximum values’ are maximum values within the selected range
Sorted, thank you.
L144. Use MOW instead of Mediterranean Outflow Waters
Sorted, thank you.
Figure 3. Add axes units in (a) and colorbar units in (b), (c), (d) or indicate them in the caption.
Sorted, thank you.
Caption of Figure 5: helpS TO identify
Sorted, thank you.
L193. Replace 1969 with 1960.
Sorted, thank you.
Caption of Table 1. Replace ‘temperature’ with ‘potential temperature’
Sorted, thank you.
L227. Replace ‘along-slope circulation’ with ‘basin-scale along-slope circulation’.
Sorted, thank you.
L227. What do you mean by ‘shear red’?
I intended to type sheer red, meaning partly transparent, but it turns out that sheer is a specific adjective for fabric, the word transparent was used instead, thank you.
Table 2. Delete ‘(unit)’ in caption.
Sorted, thank you.
Figure 9. Correct ‘PRincipal’. Add axes units.
Sorted, thank you.
Caption of Figure 9. L2. Replace ‘were’ with ‘was’
Sorted, thank you.
L254. Replace ‘right’ with ‘easternmost’
Sorted, thank you.
L264. Indicate that the LIW vein is that off Sardinia.
Sorted, thank you.
L283-L284. Specify after ‘could be identified’ that it was south/west of Sardinia.
Sorted, thank you.
L292. The anticyclonic
Sorted, thank you.
L317. Vargas-Yáñez (check the spelling). Also in L325.
Sorted, thank you.
L342. has
Sorted, thank you.
L343. replace ‘but’ with ‘and’?
Sorted, thank you.
L359. conTributed
Sorted, thank you.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/os-2021-120-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Katia Mallil, 01 Apr 2022